In a recent Facebook discussion I had with a liberal, he opined that the recent Tax Bill was a Huge Tax Increase. The following ensued. Is it really so hard to have a substantive discussion with a liberal? Do they always devolve to ad-hominem attacks when emotional arguments fail? It appears so, here at least. Pardon the misspellings, I left everything as a direct copy.
This was all in the context of a liberal responding to a post that posited:
“Democrats might have made a mistake by attacking the recently enacted tax bill.”
A Liberal
It's actually a tax hike over the next 10 years:
Me:
Even the far left WashPo calls that meme a lie, giving it 4 Pinocchios
A Liberal:
This images expresses my stance on this.
It's worth noting your news source is not unbiased: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
A Liberal:
Me:
So since you cannot follow that it was a review of the leftist Washington Post, here is the Washington Post, which while leftist to the hilt, you will probably accept as "truth", and in this case may be close https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/02/senate-democrats-falsely-claim-gop-tax-plan-will-raise-taxes-for-most-working-class-families/?utm_term=.26b17091a6f9
Me:
Here is where you can up your contributions to the Fed if you wish
Me:
And using your tool, it shows the WashPo to be just as biased, albeit to the left as Washington Examiner. So does that invalidate either? I think your view is a little myopic.
A Liberal:
Income inequality has never been higher than it is now...except during the first great depression. Giving corportions tax breaks is not going to improve this situation. Empowering corrupt venal racists to make sure that out roads are maintained, that children are educated and that jobs continue to pay fairly seems like a lose lose to me. I think when Trump term ends in 2019 we will see how HE managed the existing swamp after a little distance. Our system is broken I don't believe Dems or Reps are going to get it under control until we reverse Citizens United. It's too tempting for our reps to make fair decisions when they stand to get so rich in modern politics.
Me: So many unfounded untruths its hard to know where to start. Corporate tax does not take money from a corporation. It is simply passed on in increased prices and reduced competitiveness. "Corrupt venal racists", really? Why use such abusive and ad hominem attacks in polemic? Its a cheap argument and really unpersuasive. If you study the education issue you can find so much data that shows money does not solve issues. In the state of California there was a study done that demonstrated exactly the lack of correlation. Citizens United, while the left abhors it was equally an issue for Corporate Unions as for Corporate Non-Union organizations.
Me:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/04/07/study-no-link-between-school-spending-student-achievement/
Me:
Or the original study
Me:
Probably a more important question for many, at least those who attempt to improve their income, is income upward mobility. Which has been stable. Its interesting to note that downward mobility is also common, but few really look at it or care.
A Liberal:
Cato and NPR are both generating propaganda. Look this admin is the least 'christ like' of any administration. I am ambarrassed by our white house. I wonder why you are not. Trump is convenient idiot who is also a racist, classist, mesogenist, kleptocratic tool for the Republicans. Oh and he is right dimplomat for the job if you want all of our allies to start breaking off relationships with us. America first? More like Trump first. Good luck with your version of the US. I hope it works out for you.
Me:
Wow. Definition: Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda. That is basically true for anyone attempting to put forth any argument in any discussion. Even ostensibly "objective" fact finding organizations can bias by ignoring some of the facts, and enhancing others. I assume you are attempting to say that the Libertarian Cato institute is biased "right" (though I think they might disagree) and NPR is biased left (I know they will disagree, but I would agree they are). I repeat, does that really invalidate an organization, simply for having an ideological stance? In that case you pretty much cannot listen to anyone but yourself. And I hate to tell you, you probably have a bias also.
A Third Commentor:
The tax cuts will KILL BABIES!!!!
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